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returned the sound, seeming to sympathize in their joy. To such a

pitch was I affected myself, that I made a speech, in which I

acknowledged that I had never seen the like of their wisdom; I was

their devoted servant, and fell to praising and admiring of them. What

marvellous dexterity of wit, I said, enabled you to acquire this great

perfection in such a short time? There is much, indeed, to admire in

your words, Euthydemus and Dionysodorus, but there is nothing that I

admire more than your magnanimous disregard of any opinion-whether

of the many, or of the grave and reverend seigniors-you regard only

those who are like yourselves. And I do verily believe that there

are few who are like you, and who would approve of such arguments; the

majority of mankind are so ignorant of their value, that they would be

more ashamed of employing them in the refutation of others than of

being refuted by them. I must further express my approval of your kind

and public-spirited denial of all differences, whether of good and

evil, white or black, or any other; the result of which is that, as

you say, every mouth is sewn up, not excepting your own, which

graciously follows the example of others; and thus all ground of

offence is taken away. But what appears to me to be more than all

is, that this art and invention of yours has been so admirably

contrived by you, that in a very short time it can be imparted to

any one. I observed that Ctesippus learned to imitate you in no

time. Now this quickness of attainment is an excellent thing; but at

the same time I would advise you not to have any more public

entertainments; there is a danger that men may undervalue an art which

they have so easy an opportunity of acquiring; the exhibition would be

best of all, if the discussion were confined to your two selves; but

if there must be an audience, let him only be present who is willing

to pay a handsome fee;-you should be careful of this;-and if you are

wise, you will also bid your disciples discourse with no man but you

and themselves. For only what is rare is valuable; and "water," which,

as Pindar says, is the "best of all things," is also the cheapest. And

now I have only to request that you will receive Cleinias and me among

your pupils.

Such was the discussion, Crito; and after a few more words had

passed between us we went away. I hope that you will come to them with

me, since they say that they are able to teach any one who will give

them money; no age or want of capacity is an impediment. And I must

repeat one thing which they said, for your especial benefit,-that

the learning of their art did not at all interfere with the business

of money-making.

Cri. Truly, Socrates, though I am curious and ready to learn, yet

I fear that I am not like minded with Euthydemus, but one of the other

sort, who, as you were saying, would rather be refuted by such

arguments than use them in refutation of others. And though I may

appear ridiculous in venturing to advise you, I think that you may

as well hear what was said to me by a man of very considerable

pretensions-he was a professor of legal oratory-who came away from you

while I was walking up and down. "Crito," said he to me, "are you

giving no attention to these wise men?" "No, indeed," I said to him;

"I could not get within hearing of them-there was such a crowd."

"You would have heard something worth hearing if you had." "What was

that?" I said. "You would have heard the greatest masters of the art

of rhetoric discoursing." "And what did you think of them?" I said.

"What did I think of them?" he said:-"theirs was the sort of discourse

which anybody might hear from men who were playing the fool, and

making much ado about nothing. "That was the expression which he used.

"Surely," I said, "philosophy is a charming thing." "Charming!" he

said; "what simplicity! philosophy is nought; and I think that if

you had been present you would have been ashamed of your friend-his

conduct was so very strange in placing himself at the mercy of men who

care not what they say, and fasten upon every word. And these, as I

was telling you, are supposed to be the most eminent professors of

their time. But the truth is, Crito, that the study itself and the men

themselves are utterly mean and ridiculous." Now censure of the

pursuit, Socrates, whether coming from him or from others, appears

to me to be undeserved; but as to the impropriety of holding a

public discussion with such men, there, I confess that, in my opinion,

he was in the right.

Soc. O Crito, they are marvellous men; but what was I going to

say? First of all let me know;-What manner of man was he who came up

to you and censured philosophy; was he an orator who himself practises

in the courts, or an instructor of orators, who makes the speeches

with which they do battle?

Cri. He was certainly not an orator, and I doubt whether he had ever

been into court; but they say that he knows the business, and is a

clever man, and composes wonderful speeches.

Soc. Now I understand, Crito; he is one of an amphibious class, whom

I was on the point of mentioning-one of those whom Prodicus

describes as on the border-ground between philosophers and

statesmen-they think that they are the wisest of all men, and that

they are generally esteemed the wisest; nothing but the rivalry of the

philosophers stands in their way; and they are of the opinion that

if they can prove the philosophers to be good for nothing, no one will

dispute their title to the palm of wisdom, for that they are

themselves really the wisest, although they are apt to be mauled by

Euthydemus and his friends, when they get hold of them in

conversation. This opinion which they entertain of their own wisdom is

very natural; for they have a certain amount of philosophy, and a

certain amount of political wisdom; there is reason in what they

say, for they argue that they have just enough of both, and so they

keep out-of the way all risks and conflicts and reap the fruits of

their wisdom.

Cri. What do you say of them, Socrates? There is certainly something

specious in that notion of theirs.

Soc. Yes, Crito, there is more speciousness than truth; they

cannot be made to understand the nature of intermediates. For all

persons or things, which are intermediate between two other things,

and participate in both of them-if one of these two things is good and

the other evil, are better than the one and worse than the other;

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