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impossibly the other, whom you call Cadmus, may share a similar fate.

Nay, my good friend, said Socrates, let us not boast, lest some evil

eye should put to flight the word which I am about to speak. That,

however, may be left in the hands of those above, while I draw near in

Homeric fashion, and try the mettle of your words. Briefly, the sum of

your objection is as follows: You want to have proven to you that

the soul is imperishable and immortal, and you think that the

philosopher who is confident in death has but a vain and foolish

confidence, if he thinks that he will fare better than one who has led

another sort of life, in the world below, unless he can prove this;

and you say that the demonstration of the strength and divinity of the

soul, and of her existence prior to our becoming men, does not

necessarily imply her immortality. Granting that the soul is

longlived, and has known and done much in a former state, still she is

not on that account immortal; and her entrance into the human form may

be a sort of disease which is the beginning of dissolution, and may at

last, after the toils of life are over, end in that which is called

death. And whether the soul enters into the body once only or many

times, that, as you would say, makes no difference in the fears of

individuals. For any man, who is not devoid of natural feeling, has

reason to fear, if he has no knowledge or proof of the soul's

immortality. That is what I suppose you to say, Cebes, which I

designedly repeat, in order that nothing may escape us, and that you

may, if you wish, add or subtract anything.

But, said Cebes, as far as I can see at present, I have nothing to

add or subtract; you have expressed my meaning.

Socrates paused awhile, and seemed to be absorbed in reflection.

At length he said: This is a very serious inquiry which you are

raising, Cebes, involving the whole question of generation and

corruption, about which I will, if you like, give you my own

experience; and you can apply this, if you think that anything which I

say will avail towards the solution of your difficulty.

I should very much like, said Cebes, to hear what you have to say.

Then I will tell you, said Socrates. When I was young, Cebes, I

had a prodigious desire to know that department of philosophy which is

called Natural Science; this appeared to me to have lofty aims, as

being the science which has to do with the causes of things, and which

teaches why a thing is, and is created and destroyed; and I was always

agitating myself with the consideration of such questions as these: Is

the growth of animals the result of some decay which the hot and

cold principle contracts, as some have said? Is the blood the

element with which we think, or the air, or the fire? or perhaps

nothing of this sort-but the brain may be the originating power of the

perceptions of hearing and sight and smell, and memory and opinion may

come from them, and science may be based on memory and opinion when no

longer in motion, but at rest. And then I went on to examine the decay

of them, and then to the things of heaven and earth, and at last I

concluded that I was wholly incapable of these inquiries, as I will

satisfactorily prove to you. For I was fascinated by them to such a

degree that my eyes grew blind to things that I had seemed to

myself, and also to others, to know quite well; and I forgot what I

had before thought to be self-evident, that the growth of man is the

result of eating and drinking; for when by the digestion of food flesh

is added to flesh and bone to bone, and whenever there is an

aggregation of congenial elements, the lesser bulk becomes larger

and the small man greater. Was not that a reasonable notion?

Yes, said Cebes, I think so.

Well; but let me tell you something more. There was a time when I

thought that I understood the meaning of greater and less pretty well;

and when I saw a great man standing by a little one I fancied that one

was taller than the other by a head; or one horse would appear to be

greater than another horse: and still more clearly did I seem to

perceive that ten is two more than eight, and that two cubits are more

than one, because two is twice one.

And what is now your notion of such matters? said Cebes.

I should be far enough from imagining, he replied, that I knew the

cause of any of them, indeed I should, for I cannot satisfy myself

that when one is added to one, the one to which the addition is made

becomes two, or that the two units added together make two by reason

of the addition. For I cannot understand how, when separated from

the other, each of them was one and not two, and now, when they are

brought together, the mere juxtaposition of them can be the cause of

their becoming two: nor can I understand how the division of one is

the way to make two; for then a different cause would produce the same

effect-as in the former instance the addition and juxtaposition of one

to one was the cause of two, in this the separation and subtraction of

one from the other would be the cause. Nor am I any longer satisfied

that I understand the reason why one or anything else either is

generated or destroyed or is at all, but I have in my mind some

confused notion of another method, and can never admit this.

Then I heard someone who had a book of Anaxagoras, as he said, out

of which he read that mind was the disposer and cause of all, and I

was quite delighted at the notion of this, which appeared admirable,

and I said to myself: If mind is the disposer, mind will dispose all

for the best, and put each particular in the best place; and I

argued that if anyone desired to find out the cause of the

generation or destruction or existence of anything, he must find out

what state of being or suffering or doing was best for that thing, and

therefore a man had only to consider the best for himself and

others, and then he would also know the worse, for that the same

science comprised both. And I rejoiced to think that I had found in

Anaxagoras a teacher of the causes of existence such as I desired, and

I imagined that he would tell me first whether the earth is flat or

round; and then he would further explain the cause and the necessity

of this, and would teach me the nature of the best and show that

this was best; and if he said that the earth was in the centre, he

would explain that this position was the best, and I should be

satisfied if this were shown to me, and not want any other sort of

cause. And I thought that I would then go and ask him about the sun

and moon and stars, and that he would explain to me their

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