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the body and turn to the soul.

That is true.

In matters of this sort philosophers, above all other men, may be

observed in every sort of way to dissever the soul from the body.

That is true.

Whereas, Simmias, the rest of the world are of opinion that a life

which has no bodily pleasures and no part in them is not worth having;

but that he who thinks nothing of bodily pleasures is almost as though

he were dead.

That is quite true.

What again shall we say of the actual acquirement of knowledge?-is

the body, if invited to share in the inquiry, a hinderer or a

helper? I mean to say, have sight and hearing any truth in them? Are

they not, as the poets are always telling us, inaccurate witnesses?

and yet, if even they are inaccurate and indistinct, what is to be

said of the other senses?-for you will allow that they are the best of

them?

Certainly, he replied.

Then when does the soul attain truth?-for in attempting to

consider anything in company with the body she is obviously deceived.

Yes, that is true.

Then must not existence be revealed to her in thought, if at all?

Yes.

And thought is best when the mind is gathered into herself and

none of these things trouble her-neither sounds nor sights nor pain

nor any pleasure-when she has as little as possible to do with the

body, and has no bodily sense or feeling, but is aspiring after being?

That is true.

And in this the philosopher dishonors the body; his soul runs away

from the body and desires to be alone and by herself?

That is true.

Well, but there is another thing, Simmias: Is there or is there

not an absolute justice?

Assuredly there is.

And an absolute beauty and absolute good?

Of course.

But did you ever behold any of them with your eyes?

Certainly not.

Or did you ever reach them with any other bodily sense? (and I speak

not of these alone, but of absolute greatness, and health, and

strength, and of the essence or true nature of everything). Has the

reality of them ever been perceived by you through the bodily

organs? or rather, is not the nearest approach to the knowledge of

their several natures made by him who so orders his intellectual

vision as to have the most exact conception of the essence of that

which he considers?

Certainly.

And he attains to the knowledge of them in their highest purity

who goes to each of them with the mind alone, not allowing when in the

act of thought the intrusion or introduction of sight or any other

sense in the company of reason, but with the very light of the mind in

her clearness penetrates into the very fight of truth in each; he

has got rid, as far as he can, of eyes and ears and of the whole body,

which he conceives of only as a disturbing element, hindering the soul

from the acquisition of knowledge when in company with her-is not this

the sort of man who, if ever man did, is likely to attain the

knowledge of existence?

There is admirable truth in that, Socrates, replied Simmias.

And when they consider all this, must not true philosophers make a

reflection, of which they will speak to one another in such words as

these: We have found, they will say, a path of speculation which seems

to bring us and the argument to the conclusion that while we are in

the body, and while the soul is mingled with this mass of evil, our

desire will not be satisfied, and our desire is of the truth. For

the body is a source of endless trouble to us by reason of the mere

requirement of food; and also is liable to diseases which overtake and

impede us in the search after truth: and by filling us so full of

loves, and lusts, and fears, and fancies, and idols, and every sort of

folly, prevents our ever having, as people say, so much as a

thought. For whence come wars, and fightings, and factions? whence but

from the body and the lusts of the body? For wars are occasioned by

the love of money, and money has to be acquired for the sake and in

the service of the body; and in consequence of all these things the

time which ought to be given to philosophy is lost. Moreover, if there

is time and an inclination toward philosophy, yet the body

introduces a turmoil and confusion and fear into the course of

speculation, and hinders us from seeing the truth: and all

experience shows that if we would have pure knowledge of anything we

must be quit of the body, and the soul in herself must behold all

things in themselves: then I suppose that we shall attain that which

we desire, and of which we say that we are lovers, and that is wisdom,

not while we live, but after death, as the argument shows; for if

while in company with the body the soul cannot have pure knowledge,

one of two things seems to follow-either knowledge is not to be

attained at all, or, if at all, after death. For then, and not till

then, the soul will be in herself alone and without the body. In

this present life, I reckon that we make the nearest approach to

knowledge when we have the least possible concern or interest in the

body, and are not saturated with the bodily nature, but remain pure

until the hour when God himself is pleased to release us. And then the

foolishness of the body will be cleared away and we shall be pure

and hold converse with other pure souls, and know of ourselves the

clear light everywhere; and this is surely the light of truth. For

no impure thing is allowed to approach the pure. These are the sort of

words, Simmias, which the true lovers of wisdom cannot help saying

to one another, and thinking. You will agree with me in that?

Certainly, Socrates.

But if this is true, O my friend, then there is great hope that,

going whither I go, I shall there be satisfied with that which has

been the chief concern of you and me in our past lives. And now that

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