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the nature of that being to which he addresses his speeches; and this,

I conceive, to be the soul.

Phaedr. Certainly.

Soc. His whole effort is directed to the soul; for in that he

seeks to produce conviction.

Phaedr. Yes.

Soc. Then clearly, Thrasymachus or any one else who teaches rhetoric

in earnest will give an exact description of the nature of the soul;

which will enable us to see whether she be single and same, or, like

the body, multiform. That is what we should call showing the nature of

the soul.

Phaedr. Exactly.

Soc. He will explain, secondly, the mode in which she acts or is

acted upon.

Phaedr. True.

Soc. Thirdly, having classified men and speeches, and their kinds

and affections, and adapted them to one another, he will tell the

reasons of his arrangement, and show why one soul is persuaded by a

particular form of argument, and another not.

Phaedr. You have hit upon a very good way.

Soc. Yes, that is the true and only way in which any subject can

be set forth or treated by rules of art, whether in speaking or

writing. But the writers of the present day, at whose feet you have

sat, craftily, conceal the nature of the soul which they know quite

well. Nor, until they adopt our method of reading and writing, can

we admit that they write by rules of art?

Phaedr. What is our method?

Soc. I cannot give you the exact details; but I should like to

tell you generally, as far as is in my power, how a man ought to

proceed according to rules of art.

Phaedr. Let me hear.

Soc. Oratory is the art of enchanting the soul, and therefore he who

would be an orator has to learn the differences of human souls-they

are so many and of such a nature, and from them come the differences

between man and man. Having proceeded thus far in his analysis, he

will next divide speeches into their different classes:-"Such and such

persons," he will say, are affected by this or that kind of speech

in this or that way," and he will tell you why. The pupil must have

a good theoretical notion of them first, and then he must have

experience of them in actual life, and be able to follow them with all

his senses about him, or he will never get beyond the precepts of

his masters. But when he understands what persons are persuaded by

what arguments, and sees the person about whom he was speaking in

the abstract actually before him, and knows that it is he, and can say

to himself, "This is the man or this is the character who ought to

have a certain argument applied to him in order to convince him of a

certain opinion"; -he who knows all this, and knows also when he

should speak and when he should refrain, and when he should use

pithy sayings, pathetic appeals, sensational effects, and all the

other modes of speech which he has learned;-when, I say, he knows

the times and seasons of all these things, then, and not till then, he

is a perfect master of his art; but if he fail in any of these points,

whether in speaking or teaching or writing them, and yet declares that

he speaks by rules of art, he who says "I don't believe you" has the

better of him. Well, the teacher will say, is this, and Socrates, your

account of the so-called art of rhetoric, or am I to look for another?

Phaedr. He must take this, Socrates for there is no possibility of

another, and yet the creation of such an art is not easy.

Soc. Very true; and therefore let us consider this matter in every

light, and see whether we cannot find a shorter and easier road; there

is no use in taking a long rough round-about way if there be a shorter

and easier one. And I wish that you would try and remember whether you

have heard from Lysias or any one else anything which might be of

service to us.

Phaedr. If trying would avail, then I might; but at the moment I can

think of nothing.

Soc. Suppose I tell you something which somebody who knows told me.

Phaedr. Certainly.

Soc. May not "the wolf," as the proverb says, claim a hearing"?

Phaedr. Do you say what can be said for him.

Soc. He will argue that is no use in putting a solemn face on

these matters, or in going round and round, until you arrive at

first principles; for, as I said at first, when the question is of

justice and good, or is a question in which men are concerned who

are just and good, either by nature or habit, he who would be a

skilful rhetorician has; no need of truth-for that in courts of law

men literally care nothing about truth, but only about conviction: and

this is based on probability, to which who would be a skilful orator

should therefore give his whole attention. And they say also that

there are cases in which the actual facts, if they are improbable,

ought to be withheld, and only the probabilities should be told either

in accusation or defence, and that always in speaking, the orator

should keep probability in view, and say good-bye to the truth. And

the observance, of this principle throughout a speech furnishes the

whole art.

Phaedr. That is what the professors of rhetoric do actually say,

Socrates. I have not forgotten that we have quite briefly touched upon

this matter already; with them the point is all-important.

Soc. I dare say that you are familiar with Tisias. Does he not

define probability to be that which the many think?

Phaedr. Certainly, he does.

Soc. I believe that he has a clever and ingenious case of this

sort:-He supposes a feeble and valiant man to have assaulted a

strong and cowardly one, and to have robbed him of his coat or of

something or other; he is brought into court, and then Tisias says

that both parties should tell lies: the coward should say that he

was assaulted by more men than one; the other should prove that they

were alone, and should argue thus: "How could a weak man like me

have assaulted a strong man like him?" The complainant will not like

to confess his own cowardice, and will therefore invent some other lie

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